28 Sep
Posted by: Steve Andreas in: Articles
In this very interesting 18-minute video, filmed at one of his very large “Mastery University” seminars in Australia, Tony Robbins asks if anyone present is suicidal. A woman raises her hand, and Tony proceeds to interact with her. I don’t know how long the video will be available online, so if you want to watch it, you may want to do it soon. I strongly suggest that you watch the video below before reading my review below for two related reasons:
1) So that you can pay close attention to what you see and hear — particularly nonverbal behavior, both in Tony and the client — and notice your own responses, thoughts, and evaluations, unbiased by mine.
2) So that you can later compare what you observed with what I saw and heard. You may also find it useful to watch the video a second time after reading my comments. (I have watched it a number of times and learned a lot from this.) Watch the video now.
After watching the video, scroll down for my review. . . .
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(If you haven’t yet watched the video, please do so before reading on.)
Tony first interrupts Olivia’s sad story by asking her, (2:36) “Why are you unworthy to be alive? Do you fart in public?” etc., and this gets a very definite state change into humor. This is a particularly effective interrupt and redirect because English is Olivia’s second language, and she is at first quite confused by his words, adding to the interrupt. He continues to solidify this state by asking her more questions about farting, “Did you ever fart and blame it on your dog? Did you ever fart and blame it on a friend?”
At 4:00, after Olivia has said “No” to all these questions about farting, Tony says, “No. OK, good, then you are worthy of living, . . . unlike many other people in this room.” In the first part of this sentence he links her not farting to being worthy of living, which links back to her statement about unworthiness, and makes it seem ludicrous. The second part of the sentence makes the same linkage in reverse seem equally ludicrous.
Olivia then continues with her extensive tale of woe — her betrayal by her husband, who took everything from her, etc.
Then Tony nicely reorients her to her pre-marriage identity by asking about her last name, and then her maiden name which is a powerful positive resource for her identity. Although the video is titled, “Creating a Compelling Future,” what he is actually doing is accessing a compelling past, bringing it into the present, and then taking this into the future.
At 10:24, Tony says, “You need to stop this story; it’s very painful. I have total compassion for you. But because I care about you, I can’t let you indulge in this story any more. Because the story is making you stand not like a Garzon, behave not like a Garzon. It’s created the illusion that you are not who you really are.” This pulls her out of her sadness, and back into her family identity again.
While acknowledging these useful changes, I think it is useful to keep in mind that someone who is willing to volunteer in this kind of context — being videotaped in front of a huge audience — is likely to be very motivated. While Tony makes some good moves, I don’t think we could expect to see the same kind of intense responses to these moves very often in a one-on-one session without the thousand-plus backup “therapists,” and with someone who doesn’t have Tony’s reputation. The fact that this is a very high-priced seminar further selects for people who are highly motivated.
Now let’s take a look at some very interesting nonverbal behaviors. Notice how often Tony sneers, for instance at 13:00 when he says, “Miss Garzon,” and again at 13:03 and 13:12 when he again says, “Miss Garzon.” (See the still below.) I will return to this topic later.

At 13:06, in between the last two of these “Miss Garzons” Tony smiles and then wipes his hand across his face. What is the quality of this smile? It is certainly not a smile of pleasure, or of embarrassment. I would call it a self-satisfied smile. Tony appears to be pleased at his own cleverness, and I think this view is supported by his “wiping the smile off his face,” (see below) as well as his shaking his head from side to side immediately after that. I will also return to this topic later.


Near the end of Tony’s interaction with Olivia is the following exchange:
13:46 Tony: Dear Garzon, with the heritage of a Garzon, what is possible? What is possible for a woman who has the heritage, the lineage of a Garzon within her? What is possible?
14:03 Olivia: To see that life is just a great opportunity, to be — um — to conquer the universe, to conquer the love and the loss—
Although Olivia has made some useful shifts, her nonverbal behavior — voice tone, furrowed brow, upside down smile, and facial expression — indicates that much of her identity as a “victim” is intact.

When she says, “I can conquer the universe,” that indicates that she has undergone what is called a “polarity flip.” She began by being suicidal and a complete victim of events; now she is saying that she can “conquer the universe,” which is just as unrealistic and unbalanced, and very likely to flip back again into its opposite. Bipolar disorder is another example of this kind of alternation. Flipping between polar opposites is very different from the integration of opposites. Tony validates what she says, ignoring her nonverbal messages of incongruence.
Tony: That’s right.
14:22 Olivia: —to remind myself that always I was respected, that only one man was — used me and hurt me, and took away everything from me—
Here Olivia clearly slides back into her unhappiness as a “wronged woman,” and Tony challenges this again.
14:36 Tony: Did he take away everything?
Olivia: Yes.
14:39 Tony: No. I’m asking you, did he take away everything?
Tony’s “No” directly contradicts Olivia’s “Yes,” followed by a repetition of his question challenging what she said.
14:41 Olivia: No, no, my faith, my self, my dignity, my personality, is with me now.
Tony: Right, he could not take that. You had the illusion that he took it—
Olivia: Yes, yes.
14:49 Tony: —that’s why you were so sad. You forgot who you are. Will you ever forget this again?
Olivia: No, again, no.
Tony: Never again.
Olivia: No, Never again.
14:56 Tony: Never again. (applause)
Is it realistic to think that Olivia will actually “never again” fall into being unhappy about being treated so badly by her husband of 19 years, leaving her destitute? I don’t think so, especially with all the nonverbal signals that clearly indicate her incongruence, even when she says positive things. If she does slip into her sadness again later, Tony will not be available to pull her out of it.
I think it would be much better to assume that at least occasionally she may slide back into being a helpless victim — as she just did — and provide a way for her to quickly move back into a more positive outlook by linking this to remembering her positive identity.
For instance, saying something like, “If you ever again become sad about how badly you were treated, you can remember this moment of knowing who you are as a Garzon, something no one can ever take away from you” could create a link between being sad, and remembering that she is a Garzon. A detailed future-pace would be even better.
A lasting solution would involve taking the time to integrate these two polarities, and create the congruence that would eliminate any chance that she could slip back into her sadness. But that would take more time than Tony’s razzle-dazzle workshop context would permit.
To summarize, Tony succeeds in changing her state, and accessing a positive polarity, but he does not go on to integrate the two polarities. It’s good theater, but only a start on lasting change.
Back to the sneer
In Tony’s follow-up comments on the session he repeatedly sneers, a clear signal of contempt. I would call the still below the “mother of all sneers.”

As a little experiment, think now of something that you could feel contemptuous about, or disgusted with, and then sneer. . . .
Did you sneer on the left side of your face or the right? . . .
Now try sneering on the other side of your face. . . .
Probably you had difficulty doing this last step, or you may have found it impossible. A sneer is usually on the left side of the face in a right-handed person, because it expresses non-dominant (usually right-brain) emotion, which is usually less conscious. Given that Tony released this video clip, I assume that he was not aware of his sneer, and probably many people watching it aren’t either, despite its magnitude. This video is not unique; if you watch any of his many videos closely, you will see him sneer over and over again.
A sneer is a facial expression of scorn or disgust characterized by a slight raising of one corner of the upper lip, known also as curling the lip or turning up the nose.
— Wikipedia: Sneer
In the sneer, buccinator muscles (innervated by lower buccal branches of the facial nerve) contract to draw the lip corners sideward to produce a sneering “dimple” in the cheeks (the sneer may also be accompanied by a scornful, upward eye-roll). From videotape studies of nearly 700 married couples in sessions discussing their emotional relationships with each other, University of Washington psychologist, John Gottman has found the sneer expression (even fleeting episodes of the cue) to be a “potent signal” for predicting the likelihood of future marital disintegration (Bates and Cleese 2001). In this regard, the sneer may be decoded as an unconscious sign of contempt.
— The Nonverbal Dictionary of Gestures, Signs, & Body Language Cues by David B. Givens, 2002, Spokane, Washington: Center for Nonverbal Studies Press, pp.24-25
(For more on sneering, see the note at the end of this post.)
Tony’s repeated sneers during his work, and as he talks about his work with Olivia later, is incongruent with his statement about being compassionate and caring at 10:24, when he says, “You need to stop this story; it’s very painful. I have total compassion for you. But because I care about you, I can’t let you indulge in this story any more.”
Being compassionate and caring for someone is the opposite of sneering. Generally speaking, nonverbal behavior is more likely to be valid than the words someone uses, which are more likely to be a “front” created by the conscious mind. We all have personal limitations that will interfere with helping others, so Tony is not unique, but pervasive contempt for a client is a pretty serious one.
Back to the self-satisfied smile
We see this smile again (though less intensely) in his follow-up comments when Tony says, “I watched her and listened to her, and I saw that she came from a traditional background, and I gambled, . . . correctly.”

Summary
Given all the foregoing observations, it appears to me that even when Tony helps someone, his ultimate goal is not their well-being, but Tony’s power, fame, and self-importance and this is bound to distort the result. His first book is titled Unlimited Power, and among his seminar titles are “Unleash the Power Within,” and “Wealth Mastery,” so it is reasonable to assume that power is a prime motivator for Tony.
In the case of Olivia, it is impressive to leave her with “I can conquer the world,” and “I will never forget this,” but it is not the kind of integrated resolution that will result in lasting benefit.
In the five-year follow-up, Olivia says, “She was doing well, and always remembered what Tony said to her,” so apparently she did benefit from the session. However, the fact that she remembered her session with Tony is not surprising, given the context of being the focus of Tony and a thousand other participants. To what extent this memory contributed significantly to her “doing well” is at least questionable; a lot can happen in five years that might have contributed to this result, and the passage of time alone is bound to be a factor. A one- or two-month follow-up would have provided better evidence of changes that resulted from the session alone.
Despite my criticism, it can be useful to watch and listen to Tony’s videos. Having watched a lot of live client demonstrations at national psychotherapy conferences, I have to say that Tony gets far more changes much faster than most well-known therapists — many of whom don’t get any changes at all. And he is also willing to show what he does publicly, so that we can see exactly what he does. This is something that is all too rare in the field; most therapists practice privately, hiding behind “confidentiality,” not willing to make what they do public — often for good reason.
And now I suggest that you watch the video again.
Note: more on sneering
In The Expression of Emotions in Man and Animals, Charles Darwin defined a “sneer” as “the upper lip being retracted in such a manner that the canine tooth on one side of the face alone is shown” Darwin related the sneer to the snarl observed in non-human animals, particularly carnivores, observing that:
“The uncovering of the canine tooth is the result of a double movement. The angle or corner of the mouth is drawn a little backwards, and at the same time a muscle which runs parallel to and near the nose draws up the outer part of the upper lip, and exposes the canine on this side of the face. The contraction of this muscle makes a distinct furrow on the cheek, and produces strong wrinkles under the eye, especially at its inner corner. The action is the same as that of a snarling dog; and a dog when pretending to fight often draws up the lip on one side alone, namely that facing his antagonist.”
— Charles Darwin, The Expression of Emotions in Man and Animals, 1872, pp 249-250, as quoted in Wikipedia: Sneer
“Teach not thy lips such scorn, for they were made
For kissing, lady, not for such contempt.”
— William Shakespeare, Richard III: Act 1, Scene 2
30 Responses
Duff
28|Sep|2011 1Here’s another interesting video of Tony Robbins’ unique nonverbal behaviors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrCCYDR1ss
In this clip, Robbins touches his nose 20 times, all of which were cut from his 20-minute TED talk available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I
Michael
29|Sep|2011 2Duff, I’ve never come across any research that has shown a reliable association between an emotional state / attitude / dishonesty etc and touching your nose. If I’m wrong, please show me.
Steve, I love your blog posts always… and I think one of the last lines in your post says it best:
“Tony gets far more changes much faster than most well-known therapists”
Eg: I have NEVER seen Bandler (on video or live) get the quality of results Tony gets on his videos. You were there with Bandler for many years – so maybe you have many counter examples. If I was a client, with unlimited funds, and a one-on-one with anyone I want… I think I would choose Tony over virtually any famous NLP trainer (you’re one of the exceptions – I do prefer your thorough and relaxed style). Disagree?
Al Konigsfeld
29|Sep|2011 3A couple other things I noticed about the intervention. The structure of the intervention is classic Dilts. Tony puts the resource at the identity level, makes a complex equivalence from identity to to values to strengthen the new identity, reframes the relationship as a behaviour unworthy of her identity, and separated the problem state from the new identity. He also reframed her pain as a new learning and used a good meta-model challenge (everything?) when she fell back into her story. There are some weaknesses to the intervention, notably, as Steve has pointed out, a lack of future pacing. Tony also missed a chance to deepen a resource. She was key in building her husband’s business, so she undoubtedly had valuable skills, but Tony chose not to pursue this resource. Still, this might be Monday-morning quarterbacking on my part. I am not sure I could do as well in 12 minutes. I was a little taken aback by the remark “Cool!” when the subject indicated that she was suicidal. Perhaps that is a sort of auditory sneer.
Oliver Mayor
30|Sep|2011 4As a non-practitioner (but someone interested in NLP practice), I found the video really disturbing and noticed myself getting really, really mad at Robbins’ responses and his facial expressions. I almost couldn’t believe how the voice commentary was interpreting the whole thing. The whole thing was very difficult to sit through. Steve, I thank you for your balanced commentary–it helped moderate my own strong emotional response.
I don’t know much about the landscape of practice here, but I suspect there would be a significant group of people who could be harmed by Robbin’s approach as seen here. (I’ve not watched his other videos and feel reluctant to do so.) It seems like a session with Robbins could just amount to a new layer of trauma, with pronounced short-term effects. Again, I’ve no experience in providing therapy; these are just based my intuitions as someone who’s sought out various forms of therapy and self-help over the years.
Steve Andreas
30|Sep|2011 5Thanks Al, for all your excellent observations; I agree with all of
them (and wish I had thought to mention them!).
Steve Andreas
Michael
30|Sep|2011 6Nice comments Al, thanks for your input!
Having seen Tony do many interventions like this, I can say that from my experiences watching him, the “cool” at the beginning is not only an interrupt, but an anchor carrying the meaning that this is going to be easy.
I also love the direct suggestion later, which hasn’t been mentioned yet… “You’re far from dead, you’re alive and strong”
Having not trained with Dilts, can you recommend any product or book of his that is the best of his work, in your opinion, regarding therapeutic change? I’ve read his early books, but none of his recent ones. Thanks.
And thanks again Steve. There’s nothing quite as useful as this kind of dissection of a therapeutic interaction for learning, especially by someone as skilled as you!
Joseph Kao
02|Oct|2011 7Hi Steve,
Thanks for a thorough and useful analysis. I agreed with just about everything you said, from your observations about the lack of future pacing, and her being pushed to occupy an opposite polarity, to your acknowledgement that the lady did nonetheless make something of a useful shift.
The only thing I found myself disagreeing with is your analysis of Tony’s sneer.
I genuinely think you’ve misjudged it. To me, it looks like Tony is attempting to demonstrate – or “model” – the attitude he wants to evoke in the lady.
In the shot you highlight, Tony reminds me of an Italian mafioso, conveying a “don’t f@#! with the family” attitude.
I find this very congruent with his therapeutic manoeuvre of re-orienting her to the values of her family – that this isn’t how her ancestors stood, it’s not how they breathed, that within her blood and her being is an attitude of “don’t screw with us” or “we can deal with trouble head on and look death in the eye”.
To me, his sneer comes across as a congruent part of evoking this attitude – one of cocky determination.. even if it isn’t all that charming to pore over as a still shot!
As for the self-satisfied smile – well, the nature of the event is definitely “razzle-dazzle ‘em”, with pumped up, cheering crowds. And at the moment he smiles, the crowd is indeed cheering in their relentlessly pumped up way. To me it looked like that their cheers interrupted his “mafioso modelling” state, and made him break out into a child-like giggle at all the cheering – at least for a few seconds, until he “returned to business”.
You could call it an inappropriate giggle, but I see no reason to label it self-satisfied.
As I said at the beginning, I fundamentally agree with your cautions about the whole piece as an intervention, but your detailed analyses of Tony’s facial expressions don’t seem accurate to me, or, I have to say, particularly generous to Tony!
All the best,
Joseph
Rich
03|Oct|2011 8I love learning things from this site.
A couple extra things I noticed to add to previous comments. (AL may have covered these points in his previous comment though, I’m just not too familiar with the terms used).
Tony presupposes the change by asking her , …“how does it feel to be back to your real self?”… which also somewhat challenges the unwanted behaviour as in some way false also.
At a later point he is explaining some of what he has done to the general audience, I presume with her still present?
He re categorises her memories as …”the battle she went through”… and …”the intimate opponent she had”… referring to it in the past tense.
He finishes with a statement that …”will make her a greater person than she has ever been as soon as she gives up the old story and remembers who she really is.”…
The memories are categorised as the ‘old story’
The presumption that it is a choice and within her control to choose.
That upon choosing she will be a greater person etc.
Thanks as always Steve and others.
Rich.
Steve Andreas
03|Oct|2011 9Rich: Thanks for your excellent observations.
Yes, I presume Olivia was still present during his follow-up comments,
since the shirt and background is the same.
Note that when Tony says “as soon as she gives up the old story and
remembers who she really is,” he is presupposing that she hasn’t yet
given up her old story, and hasn’t yet remembered who she really is,
which I believe is accurate. That suggests that Tony knows she needs
more work at that point, but for whatever reasons, he did not go on to
finish working with her.
Steve Andreas
Steve Andreas
03|Oct|2011 10Hi Joseph:
Thanks for your comments.
In regard to Tony’s sneer:
1. He sneers even more vigorously in his comments after the exchange is over, when he wouldn’t be modeling a Mafiosi for Olivia.
2. He sneers in many other videos, where the context is entirely
different.
So there are many counterexamples to your explanation.
And even if you were correct, I don’t think modeling a Mafiosi is a useful thing to do with a client. “Cocky determination” is not a centered, balanced resource, it is one half of another polarity, and not something I would want to teach anyone. There is an oversupply of that in the world, and I wouldn’t want to add to it.
In regard to Tony’s smile:
I have less evidence for my view than for the above, but it is certainly inappropriate to the context, and I will stick with the description “self-satisfied.” The fact that the second one immediately follows, “I gambled…correctly” is certainly congruent with self-satisfaction.
Finally, my goal in my comments is to be neither generous nor stingy with Tony, but simply to tell it as I see it, both good and bad. As I think you know, I have also criticized the work (not the person) of several other “big names” in NLP, because I am trying to set some standards of evidence for effective work in the “field.”
Best, Steve
Steve Andreas
03|Oct|2011 11Michael:
Thanks for your compliments.
I haven’t seen any reliable information on nose rubbing either.
Despite his ability to get changes, I don’t refer anyone to Tony for
the reasons outlined in my post.
I don’t think he is that good at integration–doing a complete piece
of work, and he has a lot of personal polarities I don’t trust, for
example, the preaching compassion vs. sneering, and his need for power (and its opposite polarity).
Steve Andreas
Joseph Kao
03|Oct|2011 12Hi Steve,
Thanks for your reply.
First of all, I’d just like to state that I have no strong feelings about Tony Robbins, and I’m not emotionally invested in defending his work or criticising it. Nor do I mean to imply you have anything other than the best of intentions in analysing his video. What provoked me to comment on your post is both my respect for you as an author and my surprise, and mild bafflement, at how much meaning you read into Tony’s sneer.
The fact that Tony is prone to sneering isn’t in doubt, nor is the value of analysing non-verbal responses in therapy sessions frame by frame. What I’m querying is the meaning you’ve attributed to his sneer – that it is a direct, and perhaps unconscious, response to his audience or to the lady he was working with.
As I understand it, you are claiming that the cluster of evidence you’ve brought together suggests that Tony actually feels *pervasive contempt* for the lady he’s trying to help. I remain dubious that your evidence really points to this conclusion.
Of course, I have no idea what Tony actually feels towards his audience or his clients, but I certainly don’t think the answer is revealed or exposed in these shots of him sneering.
Congruently evoking fierceness and cocky, feisty resolve is inherently likely to involve some unattractive facial expressions, expressions that could also be easily read as dislike, anger or contempt. Many passionate speakers demonstrate this at times, whether they are preachers, politicians, or motivational speakers. But that in no way means that such speakers are feeling those emotions as a direct, unconscious response to their audience or client.
How many great speeches through the ages have attempted to evoke moral outrage or steadfast, grim resolve in the audience, and how many great speakers will have contorted their faces into grim, fierce expressions and made fist-thumping gestures at certain moments throughout those same speeches? In such contexts it would seem implausible to conclude that the speakers were in fact grimly angry with their audience.
And that was, and remains, my gut response to your analysis of Tony’s sneer.
(As for your reference to the two hemispheres’ contra-lateral control over the body, interestingly, I have no trouble sneering with either side of my mouth, and I suspect I could develop the habit of doing it either way, not that I would relish such an exercise programme!).
As a second point, this time rather more in the spirit of playful debate and playing devil’s advocate: is cocky determination ever worth teaching? I would say it can be.
Stephen Gilligan offers an elegant summary of the core qualities of a good therapist (and indeed the qualities of any balanced human being in his view), and it’s something I’ve always found useful and insightful…
…that we all need a balance of 1) fierceness 2) tenderness and 3) playfulness. An excess or a deficit of any of these three qualities causes distinct problems, and each can helpfully balance the other.
With that in mind, I think a little fierceness (within which category I would include “cocky determination”) can sometimes usefully balance an excess of tenderness or self-pity.
I still fully acknowledge the presence of unstable, non-integrated states in the video, and the flaws in the “find your mega-ultra-power state!” approach that Tony appears to rely on.
And I’ll abandon discussing Tony’s smile and laugh. It’s perfectly plausible to me that there is an element of self-satisfaction in his work. But in the moment you highlighted, he looked to me like any other big name star being moved to laugh or smile when a huge crowd in front of them roars and cheers wildly (e.g. stadium musicians before their fans). I find it difficult to imagine what a sane and modest non-verbal response would be in such an unusual context!
All the best, and thanks again for an interesting and illuminating discussion,
Joseph
Miha
05|Oct|2011 13““Cocky determination” is not a centered, balanced resource, it is one half of another polarity, and not something I would want to teach anyone.”
I guess resourcefulness of cockiness depends on person.
Some people really enjoy it without any signs of incongruence. Or think it’s cool and funny.
(it seems very strange for me but I believe them when they say that they like it)
Another people dislike it more or less strongly.
Steve Andreas
05|Oct|2011 14Miha:
First lets separate “cocky” and “determination.”
Determination or tenacity, the ability to stick with working toward a
goal over a period of time is wonderful.
Cocky is another matter altogether. I just looked up that word online; here are the first 7 definitions that came up on my search:
“overly self-confident or self-assertive”
“excessively proud of oneself”
“boldly or brashly self-confident ”
“arrogant; pertly self-assertive; conceited: He walked in with a
cocky air.”
“COCKY is ‘Thinking too highly of yourself’ ”
“Overly self-assertive or self-confident.”
“Cocky describes someone who is overly self-confident. (adjective)
Someone who is very arrogant and assumes they know all the answers is an example of cocky.”
I would not want to be responsible for developing any of the characteristics listed in any person–especially if they were paying me!! Pride is one polarity; the other is shame. (It is also one of the 7 deadly sins.)
Steve Andreas
Steve Andreas
05|Oct|2011 15Hi Joseph:
Thanks for your thoughtful response, which is clear and detailed.
You mention quite a few different issues, which I will take in turn.
1. Cockiness. In regard to the value of Cockiness, see my reply to
another post today. I think your description of “how many great
speakers will have contorted their faces into grim, fierce expressions
and made fist-thumping gestures,” etc. actually makes my point. Most,
perhaps all, of that kind of speechmaker have the same sort of
arrogance and incongruence, and unfortunately many listeners either
don’t realize this, or don’t care, and easily become blind followers.
(Hitler is a prime example, some evangelists are close second, other
politicians third.)
2. Sneering. Thanks for writing “The fact that Tony is prone to
sneering isn’t in doubt, nor is the value of analyzing non-verbal
responses in therapy sessions frame by frame. What I’m querying is the meaning you’ve attributed to his sneer – that it is a direct, and perhaps unconscious, response to his audience or to the lady he was working with.”
The fact that he sneers a lot–in a lot of different videos–is
evidence of his pervasive contempt; that clearly indicates a strong
incongruence, particularly in the context of his strong verbal
expression of compassion, and that will distort his work with clients.
That is my main point; I really don’t care who he is sneering at.
Perhaps he is sneering at someone else. In the context, I assume that
he is sneering at Olivia, or possibly at the crowd, but that is a
secondary issue.
3. Sneering as a right hemisphere function. I may be wrong about
this. I read it, and it fit for me, but I didn’t check it out
thoroughly.
4. Steve Gilligan is an impeccable human being, which is quite
amazing given what a weird kid he was in his 20s. And I can totally
agree with his emphasis on tenderness and playfulness. Whatever he
means by fierceness, I am 100% sure that he doesn’t mean cockiness or arrogance. He is a truly humble human being, in the very best sense of the word.
5. You write “Tony’s smile and laugh. It’s perfectly plausible to me
that there is an element of self-satisfaction in his work. But in the
moment you highlighted, he looked to me like any other big name star
being moved to laugh or smile when a huge crowd in front of them roars and cheers wildly (e.g. stadium musicians before their fans). I find it difficult to imagine what a sane and modest non-verbal response
would be in such an unusual context!”
Yes, it is an unusual context (which is very carefully created and
managed by Tony and his staff). However, even in this context it would
be possible to focus entirely on the client and give her 100%
attention–that would be a “a sane and modest non-verbal response . . . in such an unusual context!” As you write, Tony doesn’t do that, because of the ” ‘find your mega-ultra-power state!’ approach that Tony appears to rely on.”
As I wrote in the blog post, “Even when Tony helps someone, his
ultimate goal is not their well-being, but Tony’s power, fame, and
self-importance and this is bound to distort the result.”
Again, thanks for writing.
Steve Andreas
Miha
05|Oct|2011 16Steve:
“Pride is one polarity; the other is shame.”
My observation is that people who like to feel pride they paradoxically also tolerate shame easily.
They even say that they like to be ashamed and search for such experience because it gives them motivation for development.
So they value both sides. )
Joseph Kao
06|Oct|2011 17Hi Steve,
What a lovely description of Stephen Gilligan. I only know of him through his books and a DVD or two, but I’m booked to train with him live next year. I’m very glad to hear your experience of him matches my intuitions about his high calibre as a trainer… and, indeed, as a human being.
As for cockiness – I agree that unstable, overconfident, delusional arrogance is unlikely to be a productive state to evoke in a client!
I personally think cockiness can occur within a frame of playfulness, competitions between friends, hip-hop dance competitions, improv Theatresports competitions and so on. And it can enrich and enliven such situations. It needn’t always be a deadly serious, pathological trait!
But this has now become a rather separate discussion from what Tony was attempting to do with the lady in the video. He was indeed trying to evoke a souped up, unstable polarity state by inviting her to believe she was utterly unstoppable and invincible, and that’s never something I’d personally advocate doing.
Thanks again for your comments Steve, and for your consistently interesting and insightful blog.
All the best,
Joseph
Steve Andreas
06|Oct|2011 18Joseph:
Thanks again for your comments. When you write, “I personally think
cockiness can occur within a frame of playfulness, competitions
between friends, hip-hop dance competitions, improv theatre, sports
competitions and so on,” of course I agree with you. Almost anything
within a play frame is OK–as long as all the people involved have
agreed to that frame.
My comments only apply to cockiness which isn’t within such a frame,
and I see all too much of it in the world, and it causes a lot of
death and destruction, Kaddafi for instance.
Steve Andreas
Steve Andreas
06|Oct|2011 19Miha:
Well, that is not my experience. Can you direct me to any public
person who has shown pride and then welcomed shame? I haven’t seen any. The ones I have seen recently in the US–for instance John Edwards and Anthony Wiener, certainly didn’t welcome it!
Steve Andreas
Miha
06|Oct|2011 20Steve :
“Can you direct me to any public person who has shown pride and then welcomed shame?”
I can’t direct to a public person , but I’ve seen this situation many times. )
It often occurs in hierarchical structures’ communication (military for example).
In communication with those who have lower/higher rank you are supposed to show pride/shame.
I think if persons’ believe is that all people are equal , than pride is not good,
but if person accepts some hierarchy among people, than it’s Ok.
Steve Andreas
07|Oct|2011 21I completely agree that pride and shame are common–perhaps inherent–in any hierarchical status system like the military. But I haven’t got any evidence that people in such a system welcome shame. In fact, the most common response to a mistake is “cover your ass” and hide it.
Steve Andreas
Isadore
12|Dec|2011 22As a practicing “talk-therapy” psychiatrist, I’d like to address a few erroneous claims in this post:
“Tony gets far more changes much faster than most well-known therapists”
Actually, if you’re looking for quick, rapid change, I’d suggest working out. Or methamphetamine. Though the bench press won’t mess with your spinal fluid.
The true test of any self-growth exercise is growth/maturity. And this can only be measure in the long-term, in situations (read: stressful, anxiety producing) where we often utilize emotional postures that are familiar, habitual. Which is why most brief-oriented therapy/self-help has dismissal results once the treatment ends. I’d wager big bucks that Tony’s “cures” sustain themselves until the audience member leaves the auditorium. Then it’s off to purchase another self-help book… another motivational tape.
“This is something that is all too rare in the field; most therapists practice privately, hiding behind “confidentiality,”
Where to begin… Confidentiality protects patients/clients. I’m not going to get into the laws/statutes of each professional college, but to suggest that confidentiality is used to fudge results is disingenuous. Personally, I have lobbied my professional board to allow testimonials (video and otherwise) of patients who have benefited from service(s). To date, I’m not allowed to do this.
Disclaimer: Isadore is an alias. I’d prefer to keep my professional life private when engaging with social media.
Marius
31|Dec|2011 23agree with ““Tony gets far more changes much faster than most well-known therapists”
thanks Steve, your posts are as always very detail and well ordered, I especially liked your screenshots, and time transkripts with texts,
for whom are intersted :
similar post about another video
http://www.nlpinside.com/training-nlp-with-tony-robbins-video-analysis/
Bryan
01|Jan|2012 24I completely disagree with your comments on Robbin’s ‘sneering’.
IT IS SO OBVIOUS it is simply a HABIT that he has developed because he wears the microphone that wraps around his face, he has simply developed a quirk of lifting his left upper lip so that his voice is clear through the microphone………
And every human being has a right to smile when he feels good.
To come to the conclusion he is ‘sneering’ is completely ridiculous and negatively biased, he is saving a womans life and all you can do is complain about this ‘sneering’ and smile????LOL. Jealous much?
Steve Andreas
02|Jan|2012 25Whenever someone writes that something is “obvious,” (let alone “SO OBVIOUS”) it usually isn’t. In fact it is an example of a logical fallacy called “begging the question”: http://begthequestion.info/
That kind of headset microphone picks up sound very nicely, so it is not helpful or necessary to direct your voice toward it in order for the voice to be clear.
I have seen literally hundreds of people using that kind of microphone, and I can’t recall a single additional instance of someone sneering. (Check out a bunch of TED talks on YouTube to confirm this for yourself.)
Let’s assume for a moment that it is “simply a habit,” as Bryan alleges. (The word “simply” is equivalent to “only” or “just,” implying that it is nothing else.)
Arrogance and contempt and many other attitudes can also be habits–some people express an attitude very regularly and consistently. So the sneering can be a habit and also be an expression of the ongoing attitude evidenced by sneering.
Given the above, I stand by my view that Tony’s sneering is a
nonverbal expression, and that it contaminates his work.
Steve Andreas
Marius
06|Jan|2012 26Agree with Bryan and Steve. Yes he is saving a womans life, and on the same time sneering. thats the reality. before NLP I remember when I thought sometimes “this man looks angry, buts its his habbit, he is always the same, he is not angry its just his expression” but now I think different, if the facial expression shows that a perosn is angry, it is very likely he is angry deep inside… and if he is always angry, it means he has a habit to be angry all the time…. just a thought..
Marius
06|Jan|2012 27generally if persons face looks like he is sneering, it means he is trying to smile and at the same time he is incongruent he hates, I think Steve can tell more what are the emotional components of sneering.
Gennaro Romagnolo
16|Feb|2012 28Thanks Steve for tris wonderfull post…
As a therapist I agree with evrything you say and show…
The polarity passage to victim from “conquer the universe”
it’s very dangerous in my professional experience. And
non verbal is confirm your observation about tony’s need
of self- empowerment.
Sorry for my english;)
Rosangela Ballesteros
03|Nov|2012 29Dear Steve,
You have some good points here specially when you talk about the follow up that was needed to be done with Olivia, because her body posture and face expressions were not very convincing she really had the breakthrough she needed to have. But I really did not like how you tried to put Tony down and destroy him and the work he does, with your remarks. I just have one thing to ask you about your motivation on taking so much of your precious time to write this article. Are you jealous?
Steve Andreas
05|Nov|2012 30Roseangela:
Thanks for your comments, especially for the ones on Olivia’s incongruence, which was one of my main points. It is amazing how many therapists will accept a client’s positive verbal report, and ignore the nonverbal incongruence that indicates that much more still needs to be done.
Please notice that I am not always critical. If you reread my post, you will also notice some favorable comments about what Tony did in that video, which I think somewhat balance out my criticisms. Sometimes (and I wish it were more often) I am able to enthusiastically point out the details of really excellent work, for instance take a look at the following:
http://realpeoplepress.com/blog/meryl-streep-calling
http://realpeoplepress.com/blog/nonverbal-expressiveness-the-key-to-relationship-and-change
Very few people show videos of their work, so that people can see exactly what they do with clients and I respect Tony’s willingness to do that. My wife and I have been producing videos since the mid-1980’s so that others could view our work, and comment on it if the found something worth commenting on.
No, I am not jealous of Tony. He is a performer, and I consider myself to be a scientist who is doing my best to figure out what works and what doesn’t. As time permits, I study other people’s work, and I always learn something, even if it is only what not to do. Sometimes I comment on it, with a view to highlighting both good and bad work.
If the field of therapy is to improve, I think there needs to be much more of this kind of commentary, so that people can learn what works, what to look for that indicates how to get good results, and how to think about personal change in ways that makes it more effective and easier to teach to new generations of therapists.
I don’t single out Tony for criticism; I have written strong criticisms of the work of a number of others, including Richard Bandler, from whom I have learned much of what I am able to do:
http://realpeoplepress.com/blog/nlp-book-review-get-the-life-you-want-richard-bandler
And also John Grinder, from whom we also learned many useful methods:
http://www.steveandreas.com/Articles/whispering.html
I have a letter to the editor in the current issue of the Family Therapy Networker commenting on some work with a client in an article in the previous issue.
A field can only progress if there is a lot of clear communication between those in the field about what works and what doesn’t, and there is very little of this in the therapy field. Inevitably this involves criticism, and unfortunately there is very little of this in the field. If medicine was in the same condition as the field of therapy, I would never go to a doctor. Though it often seems futile, I continue to try to do my part to improve sharing and understanding.
Thanks again, Steve
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